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  Warning: A. Vogel (JW-run organization) treatments popping up in the US

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.

  a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.

  the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.

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  Ugh. Homeopathy has no science based evidence to support its claims. But regardless, the Vogel claims are especially spurious. I don't know if a place that already carries that type of product would be willing to hear a letter saying the founder was a loon, because I imagine there are quite a few loon founders out there.
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  "Apostate" brother gives talk in Kingdom Hall and gets removed

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this guy has to have the most courage of anyone i've ever seen or balls the size of basketballs.he actually gives a good talk and has tidbits scattered about throughout his public talk with hints,suggestions,innuendos of the wt organization.i never want to go in another kingdom hall again in my life but would have made an exception just to be in this audience.

  lolnotice what's going on in the audience when they realize somethings up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqqt0y1peuu.

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  I mean he was already kicked out......he had nothing to lose. Glad he took advantage of it. I don't know why I can't get out of my head the reaming that the poor elder who called him to give the talk probably got. I am sure he was stripped of his dignity and made to feel like a conduit for Satans influence.

  Poor guy.
  
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  A Poll Regarding Shunning

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've created a poll here: https://goo.gl/7xburo.

  i'd be interested in seeing the results.. .

  #qp_main1119848 .qp_btna:hover input {background:#00355f!important} #qp_all1119848 {max-width:815px; margin:0 auto;}if watchtower scrapped the shunning policy due to "new light" and your family suddenly agreed to speak to you again would you accept them back?.

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  Yes. They are captive to a concept, and the only way to have any hope at freeing them is to be able to speak to them and hopefully find the right time to introduce sanity.
  
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  I think Steve and JWfacts nailed it. We don't really "all know that suicide rate among JW's is high". We suspect it might be compared to the general population of the individual countries they are active in. But we don't really know. It might be the same as the normal population (which is what I suspect), but because of the small community word travels fast.

  Also, I don't believe they actively or subliminally encourage suicide. That would be folly when you are already hemorrhaging members to the tune of 60-80K a year.

  But feeling like you are not good enough, that the entire world will be destroyed.......these things can't help.
  
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  Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

  i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

  this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

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  In a seemingly previous life, I spoke to a doctor at our hospital about blood. She said that the hospital respected the decisions of adults to do what they want....but that if the person says no blood, they don't even bring it in the room. And then she said "but be absolutely certain. We can keep it as a last resort, but many times we find that people change their minds, and then leave us scrambling to try to find what we need. Remember, your medical decisions are PRIVATE."

  So yeah......a lot of JW's take blood.
  
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  Starting To Wake Up

  by Searching in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i suppose after lurking around for a few weeks i thought i might share my own personal story, as i think it would probably be a very freeing experience for me right now.

  to start off, at 23 years old i'm actually a third-generation jw, my grandparents were baptized (my grandfather is actually an elder) when my mother was only a toddler, she was raised as a witness, then of course, married a witness and thus myself and my two brothers were born-in's.

  growing up my mother was always very careful about what she taught me, all the good things for sure, about how we would live in a paradise earth and i could pet all the animals that i wanted and not worry about growing old, and she'd ask me who in the bible i'd love to see and talk with - my grandparents however, were a different story and the cause of i think, most of my childhood trauma.. they really drilled home the fact that we were the only people who were going to be saved, we were the only people that were going to survive and that everyone else was going to die horribly - that i shouldn't try to make that many friends in school because they would never be "real" friends unless they were fellow jw's and they would die anyway.

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  Also Welcome! I missed that part.

  I in my early 30's did what you did. I was shocked to find out that "apostates" in most cases had legitimate gripes, and were not mentally diseased liars. They were just people....like me....and they lost so much for what they believed.

  Fear is a great motivator, but a bad decision maker. Study the history and doctrine. Start over. Watch the fear go away. These dudes in Brooklyn can't hurt you, no matter what nonsense they spout. Not if you don't let them.
  
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  Starting To Wake Up

  by Searching in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i suppose after lurking around for a few weeks i thought i might share my own personal story, as i think it would probably be a very freeing experience for me right now.

  to start off, at 23 years old i'm actually a third-generation jw, my grandparents were baptized (my grandfather is actually an elder) when my mother was only a toddler, she was raised as a witness, then of course, married a witness and thus myself and my two brothers were born-in's.

  growing up my mother was always very careful about what she taught me, all the good things for sure, about how we would live in a paradise earth and i could pet all the animals that i wanted and not worry about growing old, and she'd ask me who in the bible i'd love to see and talk with - my grandparents however, were a different story and the cause of i think, most of my childhood trauma.. they really drilled home the fact that we were the only people who were going to be saved, we were the only people that were going to survive and that everyone else was going to die horribly - that i shouldn't try to make that many friends in school because they would never be "real" friends unless they were fellow jw's and they would die anyway.

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  Most JW's do not believe what your mother does not. Here is an interesting thought to share with her.

  If Jehovah is "being patient" and allowing more to come in that is fine, but he is also making sure that more people born will die.

  Just look at it this way. These are rough numbers but pretty close. the point is clear.

  Every year around 130 Million people are born. About 50-55 Million people die that same year (includes all deaths).

  Last year 265K were baptized (and by guess, roughly 60-80K were disfellowshipped).

  So every year Jehovah is patient, he is going to have to kill another 75million or so people!

  Does that make sense? I think she is reading that scripture with meaning that has been supplied to her, but not the meaning intended. Or the bible could be kooky.
  
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  Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

  i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

  this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

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  There is no way it is ok to speak to a disfellowshipped person except with spiritual matters. The flock book saying that is one thing, but there is simply no way in real life that is happening. In fact, its a question of loyalty in severl broadcasts, talks, and magazines since that was written.

  So which one is it? What is the play here? Plausible deniability?
  
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  Orangeburg Assembly Hall - designed to be sold as a future supermarket?

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've just been watching a youtube video that reveals the new assembly hall in orangeburg, sc.. two things struck me when watching it.... firstly, everything is attributed to jehovah, right down to deciding the location where the hall is to be built.

  "we examined over 300 properties," said one interviewee, "we were reminded that jehovah knew where the site was, we just had to keep looking and show him that we were persistent.

  " other workers interviewed throughout the video attribute everything to god, as though it is impossible to build anything without divine direction.. here is the video.... .

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  Must be slow news in this part of the world. I mean.....religion builds rectangular building with water feature.....news at 11?

  Seriously?

  P.S. - They suggested 165 million a year will be the economic impact of this site? How on Gods green earth would they come up with that number?
  
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  Speaking for God: The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  very well put together!.

  https://youtu.be/yyxg8klhtve.

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  This is a really nice "greatest hits" compilation of the bat shit crazy coming out of NY. How can modern JW's not look at rubberface McGee and be embarrassed?